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Posted: Nov 8, 2008 12:36 am
Detour? Double Indemnity?? Touch of Evil???
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 1:24 am
I Can't See Shit by Cam M. Bert
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 3:09 am
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 3:53 am
too many

my fave genre (maybe; i sure love my westerns a lot)

i am lucky that i made tapes of all this crap from ny public library so when i say i have seen these i have SEEN these, which doesn't make my taste or opinion any richer than anyone else's opinion, natch

i love those 4 above except that cheesy insert by Ms Cynic but if i had to choose top:
big sleep
maltese falcon
strangers on a train
night of the hunter

rounding out a top 15 would be easy"

pick-up on south street
in a lonely place
this gun for hire
gun crazy
criss cross
big combo
murder, my sweet

maybe saispas and mr saispas can get a few of these for their saturday night wine/popcorn/govt cheese party tonight!

touch of e3vil is in class by itself: world cinema masterpiece
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 7:12 am
it's because i just bought that taschen book on film noir...
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 7:38 am
i can't pick a favorite out of the entire james m cain novels turned into movies... mildred pierce?
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 7:55 am

Gets my vote too
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 8:00 am
I'll add another Mike Hammer flick, The Girl Hunters in which Mickey Spilanne plays Hammer himself.
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 8:00 am
dont know that mutch really but i saw a movie the other day called SO BAD SO YOUNG from 1950
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 8:02 am
every couple of years the turner channel has THE SUMMER OF DARKNESS!
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 8:19 am
Blazing Saddles! Oh wait...
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 8:38 am
Out of the Past
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 9:01 am
The Killing
Double Indemnity
Strange Love Of Martha Ivers
The Big Heat!!!
Pick Up On South Street
Big Sleep
Out of the Past
Gun Crazy
Kiss Me Deadly...which is a nice segue to Godard!!!

...Faves from the French:
Breathless/Band of Outsiders (noir on its head)
Le Samouri
Bob Le Flambeur
Elevator to the Gallows
Monsieur Hire (neo-noir)
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 9:14 am
You're a "film noir." (Shouldn't this thread be in the Goner Senior Citizens forum?)
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 2:52 pm
Double Indemnity
The Naked City
Kiss of Death

maybe saispas and mr saispas can get a few of these for their saturday night wine/popcorn/govt cheese party tonight!

Hey man, we have about 6 people going to see Role Models!
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 3:15 pm
Out of the Past is an awesome movie, and totally underrated, in my opinion. Even the stupidest part of the movie--the scene where the deaf kid pulls a gangster off the cliff with a fishing rod--at least looks cool. Oh, and I love the fact that everybody is wearing trench coats all the time, rain or shine, hot or cold. And Robert Mitchum is a god.
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 3:21 pm | Edited by: Rumpleforeskin
also Detective Story The Big Heat
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 5:10 pm
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 5:22 pm
I saw the end half of "Touch of Evil" the other night on tv, and that was really good. My favourite right now is probably "Drunken Angel".
Posted: Nov 8, 2008 5:28 pm
in honor of MOTO...

Posted: Nov 9, 2008 12:01 am
Out of the Past is an awesome movie, and totally underrated, in my opinion.

Got the DVD of this sittin' on the pile, waiting for a thorough critical reappraisal (with chips'n'beer'n'schmoke)... loved Mitchum's "I've got to sleep in here" quip to the femme fatale!

My hands-down faves are:

Night and The City (Widmark version)
Kiss of Death (ditto)
Pickup on South Street
House of Bamboo (yeah, even more Sam Fuller!)
Touch of Evil
Noose (aka Silk Noose)
The Hitchhiker
In A Lonely Place
Panic In The Streets
Nightmare Alley
The Big Sleep
Night of the Hunter
Cape Fear
I even really, really dig The Yakuza, for late period Mitchum excellence...

Yeah, I guess that, for me anyway, my fave noir biggies are mostly Mitchum, Bogie or Widmark-powered!
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 3:10 am

i don't know what that means.
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 3:34 am
That Taschen book is awesome. For some reason, I thought it was out of print. Good to know it's not--I'll add it to my Christmas list!

Too many good ones to list. Are there really any bad ones? I'll pick The Big Sleep, Touch of Evil, Rear Window, and Gaslight.

I know The Uninvited (1944) is technically horror, but I always have kind of cross-categorized it as noir.
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 3:39 am
I'll add The Laughing Policeman for Matthau's quintessential hardboiled performance.
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 7:13 am
"FILM NOIR" i don't know what that means.

just rent "kiss me deadly" and go from there.
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 9:51 am
Double Indemnity
Out of the Past
The Killersboth the original and the 1964 remake
Touch of Evil
Cape Fear the original, fuck that Martin Scorsese piece of shit remake.
Posted: Nov 9, 2008 9:56 am
Cape Fear the original, fuck that Martin Scorsese piece of shit remake.

sorry dude, the remake was actually better this time around.
Posted: Nov 10, 2008 8:15 am
the remake was actually better

No. Fucking. Way. Mitchum rules as the best movie bad dude ever. In Cape Fear and in Night of the Hunter.

But Rififi and Out of the Past are 2 of my all-time faves.
Posted: Nov 10, 2008 8:29 am
Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid

but French people do!
Posted: Nov 10, 2008 8:32 am
the remake was actually better

No. Fucking. Way.

there were some flaws in the original (not that i'm anti-flaw), and deniro was the creepiest max cady ever. plus he had 14 yr old juliette lewis sucking on his fingers. come on! and even a gergory peck cameo? class! do i need to mention deniro speaking in tongues? bad ass!
Posted: Nov 10, 2008 9:21 am
i don't know what that means.

Black Film, you know, like Sweet Sweetback's Badassss Song.
Posted: Nov 11, 2008 12:02 pm
Keep that remake

I'll stick with the classics.
Posted: Nov 11, 2008 12:43 pm
it's the only remake i've ever chosen over the original.
Posted: Nov 11, 2008 12:43 pm
is cape fear even considered to be a film noir?
Posted: Nov 11, 2008 12:50 pm
ok, i guess it is.
Posted: Nov 11, 2008 7:28 pm
i love the fritz lang flicks w/ edward g robinson - Scarlet Street & The Woman in the Window.
Fury is pretty good too.

and robert ryan was in tons of good ones, including the criminally ignored Beware, My Lovely
man, thats one good movie.
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 12:39 am
Angel Face - Howard Hughes (pro), Otto Preminger (dir), Bob Mitchum and Jean Simmons, 1952 RKO
("the fire of a woman too dangerous to trust and too alluring to resist make "AF" a film noir classic").

Touchez Pas Au Grisbis - Jacques Becker (dir), Reny Dary and Jeanne Moreau, 1954 ("a touchstone of the gangster - film genre, --- is also pure Becker - understated, elegant and evocative").

Born To Kill - Rbt Wise (dir), 1947, Lawrence Tirney, Clair Trevor and Walter Slezak, ("the coldest killer a woman ever loved").

$5 each dvd title, you pay postage
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 3:39 am
Blade Runner?
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 4:55 am
After Dark My Sweet was a good Jim Thompson adaptation, The Grifters was all right as well. They would both qualify as Noir.
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 5:03 am
Can a color film be film noir? I cite Bad Day at Black Rock.
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 5:33 am
Can a color film be film noir?

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 5:33 am

Angel Heart
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 7:02 am
Detour is one of my favs. I wouldn't call In A Lonely Place a classic noir, but it's definitely great. Double Indemnity would be my choice for an archetype.

We got this fest every year:


nice to see 'em on the big screen
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 7:38 am
an a color film be film noir?

i hate absolutes and i can see the point of including color as possible evidence, but if there is any definition of the genre aesthetically i would think it starts with the USE of black and white and the subsequent shadowy looks here, at both mise en scene and characters themselves.

inj other words: the black and white film matches the philosophy and spirit of the genre. i think.

in a lonely place is not noir
bad day is not noir
grifters is not noir

detour is fucking a noir
(sry about fuckin a: just watched deerhunter yesterday--has there EVER been such a great film as only good film by a filmmaker?
i think not
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 4:07 pm
blast of silence indeed

fuck the romance
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 4:50 pm
Posted: Nov 12, 2008 9:08 pm
Hour of the Wolf-Ingmar Bergman-Max VonSydow fucking rules!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Nov 13, 2008 12:08 am
watched deerhunter
saw that in a theater back when it came out
was put off with the big sky backrounds and
other visual refs to Montana
Posted: Nov 13, 2008 8:11 am
Noir is gay
Posted: Nov 14, 2008 2:18 am
40% off all in-stock items!

unfortunately, the mighty CRITERION doesn't ship outside the usa :-(
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 6:08 am
Can a color film be film noir?

Neo-noir or post-noir, yeah.
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 6:16 am | Edited by: Jared

maltese falcon
strangers on a train

Maltese Falcon usually gets grandfathered off as proto-noir. I think it works better as a Hollywood drama. If thought of that way it's a good film, but it doesn't really pack the same punch as what was to follow. It's missing the real hard-boiled grit. Yeah, yeah based on a Dashiell Hammett yadda yadda...

...and technically Hitch ain't noir either. Great, great film but file under suspense.

My picks:
Touch of Evil
Night of the Hunter
Kiss Me Deadly
Double Indemnity
Out of The Past
Brute Force (prison-noir?)
The Naked City
Kansas City Confidential

Elevator to the Gallows
and Band of Outsiders for French
(I still need to see Shoot the Piano Player)

Point Blank and The Getaway for neo-noir

For another great Hitchcockian suspense that borders on noir:
The Spiral Staircase
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 6:29 am
Detour for old school noir. Tom Neal fucking rules.

The Killing for maximizing the genre. Sterling Hayden has no peer in this department.
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 6:49 am
The Killing is above and beyond. It is almost camp. I love that movie.
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 7:55 am
The Killing is above and beyond. It is almost camp. I love that movie.

Check this shit out...

I am so gay for Sterling Hayden.
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 4:22 pm
Wow! His house in Sausalito was just above where I stayed the first time I went to California. Did crazy amounts of drogas steps from Sterling Hayden's house. He was probably there too; it was 1986.

***Just checked Wikipedia and he died 2 days before I arrived.***
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 4:37 pm
he's really brilliant in altman's the long goodbye, a real underrated film
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:13 pm
The Killing absolutely rules!
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